you have these government interventions, these government regulations, these government taxes and mandates and so forth. how does this system absorb that and resolve itself over these kinds of problems? >> well, it doesn't really resolve it. it -- the further you move away from freedom and allowing the markets to work and innovation to occur, then the less markets are allowed to work their magic. and so i just believe there are better alternatives. i oftentimes urge people to look at what switzerland's doing. but let's talk about conscious capitalism, larry. i think business has a very bad reputation in the world. it's often portrayed as basically all about selfishness and greed and exploitation. and yet business is the biggest value creator in the world. business creates value for its customers, for its employees, for its suppliers, for its investors, and for the larger communities it's part of. business is heroic. and yet the narrative about business has been hijacked by the critics and the enemies of business, who want to put it in this narrow box of basically just seeing it as selfish